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BART: Right. I'm completing this. And, again, if you've done it and liked it, it's positive. Let's talk about the people who don't. And this is a real great metaphor I think you can understand. Again, any reason someone does something unconsciously or doesn't do something unconsciously, it's usually because they have positive associations to doing it, and they have some negative associations to don't doing it. Those associations would be: One would be the flavor or the taste. And the second would be the gag reflex. Let's talk about that because that's a natural conclusion. You know, you're doing something fun and "boom", all of a sudden you get a shot of liquid down your throat. It could choke you.

STEPHANIE: Yeah.

BART: And if that's the first experience you've ever had, ladies, it's natural why you wouldn't want to do it again. Your body is going, "hey, this is bad." So those are the two reflexes. And the only way to overcome that is to slowly associate some positive experiences.

STEPHANIE: Right. Like some things that you didn't like at first time but you grew to like more and more and more.

BART: Here's a great example. I mean there's a lot of the country of the world that still smokes cigarettes. And I think, and what I used to do, we used to travel around the country doing hypnosis seminars to help people stop smoking. And invariably, about 99 percent of the people raised their hands and said, hey, how many of you choked violently the first time you put your mouth in the cigarette?

STEPHANIE: Right. Right.

BART: And get 99 percent of the people say, I hated it, it was horrible. So why then, 30 years later, do you still do something you hate? And then you go, you know what, I don't hate it anymore.

STEPHANIE: And you do get to a point with is that, that you don't mind it so much. I don't know if there are women who absolutely love it. If they can associate that much pleasure... they will love doing it.

BART: Trust me, those women exist.

STEPHANIE: Okay. But there is a point in which it's just not a problem, it's not like you're going to gag and die.

BART: Well, again, and some people there's a great metaphor? some people need cigarettes, they think it's the best flavor in the world. They think it relaxes them. They think it gives them love. I've had people tell me, "cigarettes are my best friend." Well, if a woman has all these associations with "swallowing," he loves me, that means I love him, that means I'm a good wife, that means I'm a great lover, you bet, their mind is going to go, God, that tastes like cherry pie, I love that stuff. So that's really the same thing. Coffee is another example. Do you have coffee black? You may not like it that way. But I remember when I was 17, 18, the first time I had coffee I thought, this is horrible, why would someone drink this?

STEPHANIE: Okay. So what we want to do is associate more positive things with it along the way. So things that you could drink like we were talking about liquids and things that you could associate with oral sex.

BART: Sure. And, for example, as a benefit to doing that, let's take her favorite liquid, for example, a coffee Kahlua, or some kind of rum, or some kind of really sweet Sambuka type flavored drink. And you put it in the bedside table. And it's not like, honey, this is a reward like a dog. But what will happen is when that does occur and she swallows, immediately she can drink and hold that really sweet, wonderful liquid and offset some of that pH of the salty flavor.

STEPHANIE: Yeah. There is a change, and I don't know if men notice. But there's something it does to your mouth; it kind of changes the pH or something that leaves an unusual feeling in your mouth. So having that liquor would neutralize that possibly or at least associate it with better flavor.

BART: At least associate better flavor. So what we're doing, we're not giving you one ticket. We're giving you the process so you understand that any behavior; especially this behavior is a learned behavior. And it can be unlearned or learned to associate something positive. So what you do is learn the process of the previous section which is talking about using a different liquid to its blow jobs, well when someone has liquid in their mouth, they give you a blow job and eventually they swallow it. So, you do this for 20 or 30 minutes and they're swallowing all this wine, I'm getting really drunk, and they're swallowing the wine and the champagne, and the hot and cold liquid. So now they're in the process of actually having a penis in their mouth and they're swallowing. Well, see, that's a huge step because now that's part of the process that now they can relearn because before they only gagged.

STEPHANIE: Yeah. So make a decision to experiment with different flavors and tastes and liquids when you're having oral sex and let that just be the way you re-associate good flavors, good feelings with it.

BART: Yeah. And I think that really does answer the question. And I know some people say, "I want one technique." And there is another technique. And any one who studied hypnosis, some people claimed, well, you can say this magic sentence and all of a sudden these women around the world are going to bow down and want to give you a blowjob.

STEPHANIE: So would be something like a blow job pattern.

BART: Yeah. You will be thinking I am a candy bar and now you want to go down. I tell you what, here is the thing, the process, and the psychological process behind this theory is valid. We're re-associating positive things to that. We're taking things like wanting to go to the refrigerator and grab a candy bar, or you see some chocolate and you want have that tripped down your through. Those are very valid metaphors. And they're metaphors that a good hypnotist, a trained hypnotist could actually climb over.

STEPHANIE: Tough for the average person to get it across.

BART: And I think that's why a lot of people say, oh, that's BS. It's not BS. But with the average person, you're not going to be to use this advanced hypnotic language to induce that. But the process is valid. So I want you guys to realize that, yeah, that is possible, but its not likely right-off-the-bat. So realize that it takes some time to spend a month or two associating things as slowly as you can and you can't switch that around when they can actually do it.

STEPHANIE: Now, the other thing that might be is if you actually can a conversation about this and ask her, honey, why don't you swallow. That would be a question that would only bring up the reasons why she doesn't. And she would give you more thoughts and connect more of the bad feelings why she doesn't swallow. So when you talk about something like this, ask, you know, what could I do that would make it easier for you. Or what is it that would make it more pleasant. What would make it more comfortable with swallowing?

BART: And, again, as a man, you don't want to make any demands like this like "I like this, I demand this." But you may find that it may be just a matter of taste.

STEPHANIE: Like "if you love me"?

BART: Yeah. If you say that, you're a bad guy.

STEPHANIE: You're gone. You're dead.

BART: Well, for example, I mean just literally, if you were to eat the big Italian garlic dinner and, you know, the garlic comes down through your skin anyway. Of course, it will change the flavor. So that's something that you may want to avoid. And, you know, the two times that she's tried that, it may have been a garlic-dinner night and it was horrible. Do you blame her, guys? No.

STEPHANIE: Okay.

BART: So talk about it, open up, and then also try to slowly process it re-associating something positive to the entire process.

STEPHANIE: Excellent.